• Very helpful. Thank you.
  • last trek magazine was full of such and more or less repeats same in the brochures at the lbs. curious thing, though, about that web posting: rider, bike, hat, tires - all asphalt black, a shadow in the road. good for ninjas, i guess.

    I suggest the $7 hi-viz tee-shirt at dollar general along with a hi-viz hat will make you far more apparent to approaching or following vehicles than the $70+ lights trek is trying to peddle. and the clothing is far superior when viewed at 90 degrees regardless of lights, something the trek 'study' seems to have ignored.

    along those lines, when going out for a ride i strap on hi-viz bontrager panniers in addition to shirt and hat [hi-viz gloves when it gets below 40 degrees here] whether intending to come back with a load or not. you can see those things - all directions! from a quarter mile. there is one 2-wheeler in this town sports the same that i see now and then. sad - looks like bontrager [trek] no longer sells them. hi-viz panniers aint too common from any mfg.

    have only seen two 2-wheelers rigged with flashy daytimes, underwhelming to say the least. and, seemingly per usual, no hi-viz apparel along with that type of visibility consciousness.
  • The problem I see with flashing front or rears, people have grown accustom to them, and tend to tune them out. A constant on light is much more visible, and it's going to provide you with great light at dusk, instead of a strobe effect...  It's hard for YOU as the rider, to see a pothole or skunk in the road when you have a disco strobe for lighting....

    I have never had a problem with being seen.... I know this because I have people always commenting on how far away from me they saw me. And this is without any lighting on the trike at all. Trikes are different, and the human brain is configured to filter out the common and trigger on the different... Don't count on this to keep you safe, but let it work for you...  Light up, and make yourself more visible is always a GOOD thing....
    But what do I know...  I'm the guy what wears blue jeans and a tee-shirt with slippers and a ball cap (with an ever present VFW pin in the bill) to ride 20-30 miles...  :)
  • The eyes and brain sense motion. Moving legs and feet are motion. Flashing light is motion. Fluorescent hat and shirt are not motion. But Trek knows nothing.
  • (Two Cents  :D)  I rely on my two flag masts.  The first is the generic TT yellow flag with my Army flag  angled slightly backwards.  Second is vertical and has the twin lime green (reflective stripe down the middle)ribbons that flutter nicely in the breeze.

    On the front is a Minoura mount (Utah Trikes: all metal, doesn't vibrate) with both a Cycliq Fly 12 set on irregular flash (simultaneous video) and a $10 light from Harbor Freight (good device!).  If it's getting dark I let the Cycliq keep on flashing and I set the HF light on constant.  I get the advantage of the flash and the constant to light the roadway.

    On the rear is a $5 triangular light from Harbor Freight set so the red outer LED group is flashing.  I now also have a Cycliq Fly 6 which will video and can be set to various forms of blinking/flashing.  I still need to make a mount for the Fly 6.

    In over 18 months and 3,800+ miles I've had no problem with visibility except for one chronologically challenged driver who mindlessly pulled out in front of me.  I was able to slow down and avoid that one.  I don't think that driver even saw me and it was a clear, sunny day.  I could barely see some grey hair over the door edge and some bony fingers on the steering wheel.  

    I wear a helmet but generally not high vis clothing.  I but never listen to music or wear earbuds.  Even if (I'm a ham radio guy) I have my HT while I'm riding the ear piece is hanging loose and the volume is low.  If I'm called I slow down and even move over and stop if I want to have a conversation.  Riding will always be a risk.  Do your best to stay safe...

    I would say that whatever you have, use and feel comfortable with... keep using it.  AND, be diligent, aware and conscious of your surroundings.  I think the latter is the most important.

    Keep riding and enjoy the riding.  I do so enjoy riding and I'll take the risks involved.  Ride on!
  • I was looking for a larger flag and just found this site.
    Do you think they would see me with one of these?  The price is so good, I could buy 2.
  • edited March 1
    Better prices than some of those $60 ones I've seen.  I suggest "you" not look directly at them for any length of time because it could cause brain damage.  ~X(

    You've hit on a really good flag sight.  Prices are reasonable and there's a wide selection.  Thanks for sharing.
  • edited March 1
    if ever around aircraft or ramp vehicles, the only thing that works is the rotating beacon. fixed blinky is certainly appropriate at night. checked with the local - he catches me using real strobe lights night time i got problems, daytime use, help self. cars approach you on the left, cars approach you on the right at intersections - the stuff trek is promoting has no value in those realtime situations.

    good find, ma'am. will get a coupla the safety flags on order. thanx
  • Jamesr,
     Notice the actual airplane uses flashing strobes ?

  • Those soundwind spinners are very cool. I've also got a wind sock shaped like a fish, brightly colored, that I need to attach to the top of one of my 2 flag poles on my Rover.

    I got the idea from youtube's "SA Triker" videos - his wife rides with one of these fishy wind socks. Very visible.
  • I was looking for something bigger and more visible.  This will fit the bill.
  •  . . . Regardless, prior research sponsored by the USFA as well as others has clearly indicated a potential for LED emergency lighting to cause issues for passing motorists.  This issue is exacerbated by the intensity of these lights in dark conditions, as well as glare caused by inclement weather conditions, eyeglasses, or even the windshield of a vehicle.  Any of these situations can cause motorists to become distracted during otherwise normal driving conditions.  
    Distracted drivers do not react promptly to a hazardous situation, and may in fact become a hazard themselves and cause a secondary collision.  Despite this knowledge, as well as the ability of modern LED lighting to be automatically dimmed, standard making bodies such as the NFPA, and advisory organizations such as the USFA fall short of making such technology a requirement . . .

    the confusion factor:  long time ago, survival vests carried a strobe to hopefully guide in a rescue bird. in practice, not a good idea to use a white strobe because it strongly resembles automatic weapons fire with sometimes unfortunate reactions by the airborne observer.

    rotating beacon, you know whats down there or up there if in a hostile environment. come to think on it, down on the street in chicago a strobe flash could draw a very hostile reaction from insecure persons.

  • Sure and Trek knows nothing.
  • JRobiso2,  I attached those ribbons to the staff using self-stick Velcro.  I wrapped a short piece of the Velcro around the very top end of the staff.  I then put a grommet through the Velcro (grommet kit from Lowe's for like $5).  I took 36" of the lime green ribbon, folded it in half and put a grommet through it.  Now I used a cable tie to attach ribbons to staff.

    I watched some videos of rides from HOT (Darn, wanted to attend this year, but couldn't) and saw a colorful array of things people had on their trikes.

    At the Expo before El Tour de Tucson I saw the Trek booth and they were pushing strobe lights.  The one thing I carried away from that pitch was that a strobe should be an irregular cycle.  Yep, it made sense to me.  We are so used to seeing regular flashing lights from many sources.  Irregular sequences kind of interrupt our brains and make us take notice.  When I got my new Cycliq Fly 12 it was both a video cam and a headlight.  It has a choice of an irregular flash and that's the one I use.  The Fly 6 for the rear has a choice of a circular sequence of red LEDs.  I like irregular...

    Jamesr, I agree with your observations on LED lighting.  Police cars around here have strobes all over the place (built into grills and taillight areas).  Those new blue light bars are simply blinding in dark areas.  I saw an accident scene with several police and fire vehicles and was nearly blinded by the lights.  Rubber-neckin-sightseers were really affected by the scene.  Poor fools. 8-|
  • Regarding lighting. Here in Michigan our county snow plows used green flashing light this winter. They really get your attention since most everything out there is red or blue. The green would probably not work as well once the trees leaf out.
  •   Will say that Bontrager's (Trek) daytime strobe, front and rear, makes a serious difference when out on the road. Have seen reactions from other drivers since putting them on and around here people don't phase them out or other such nonsense.

      With the SoundWinds reflective flag I added extra safety day & night.

      Since putting the Bontrager lights on I've not had an issue of not being seen, day or night. I don't do armchair analysis, I observe people, the drivers while I'm pedaling along.

      Nothing is failsafe - yet having less or none is beyond stupid if you're riding in or around traffic. You're pitting yourself against vehicles, do whatever it takes to be seen.

      And remember, on a trike you're a low lower to the ground than a cyclist. Vehicles are taller than you are, and they have hoods obstructing their view. You may see them, but do they see you --- down there?

     ¬ Trekkin' in Payette, ID
  • i like the idea of being able to point a strobe at cars if at right turn on red crossings, may get one of these. 400 lumens is pretty respectable - have a pair of headlights at that level that strobe for darktime rides.

    flags? maybe the more the better:

    got a pair coming in on a boat from china. apparently manufacture or possession is jail time in the oem peoples paradise. probably start a few conversations at the va sporting these on the trike.

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